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Actually it is Steve Ballmer who loves mac users going out and buying windows. Bill Gates left the scene a long time ago. Otherwise, great video!

One day when Mac's really come down in price everyone will have one!

Yes, most of the people I know (here in the Netherlands) would buy an iMac or a MacBook if it wasnt that expensive. If you have to consider buying a laptop or a MacBook for 3 to 5 times the price of the laptop, the choice is made fast. I guess that the prices in the states are much lower.

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Man, you have a cube. You bastard! :)
(Looks on in jealousy)

Nice video. I love the G4 cube I think it one of the nicest computers Apple has ever made. And it was a great machine for its time. Im tying to get my hands on one just because its a beautiful computer.

I like the cube, it's kinda cute. Anyway, if you want to play games, get a console. Pretty much the only games you really need to get a computer for are the Blizzard games (can be played on a Mac) or something along the lines of Crysis (the cliche super-advanced marine thing again).

I still like building my PCs a little too much to switch (plus I'm not fond of the OSX interface), but games is a piss poor excuse to make a stand on. I have a question though... is the Mac vs PC debate really that serious and intensive?

I agree if you want to play games you get a console. There are developers out there that are making more and more great games for the mac, But i prefer the consoles. I dont know why you dont like the osx interface I love it I've had vista for a year before switching to a mac and i think osx Is sure a great os. And yes the mac vs pc debate is that serious. The reason is because most mac users that love OSX were pc users and they al agree that osx is just batter than vista. But you have pc users that just talk and put down a mac and most of them never used a mac. I dont know if part of the reason is because they can't afford a mac so they put it down, Or they just tried it for 10 mins and didnt understand it so they get on youtube and ut it down.

Eh... I tried it for about two months and just disliked not having easy access to the OS internals. I'm a bit of a geek and love playing around with the operating system I'm on a little too much (right now I triple boot with Vista for compatibility, Ubuntu for usability, and Puppy for just playing around). I just had issues with the fact that OSX puts the concept of temporary memory and other items outside of what a user can intuitively get from just operating the software. That's a long story in and of itself so just take it at face value that it's the interface I dislike about OSX and I had two months to form that opinion.

I don't understand how you can say that windows in easier to get into the internals than osx. OSX is The most easy os to use and do anything on. Also I can triple boot on a mac too i can use osx or windows, or Ubuntu. I dont know how you can say vista is easier that osx because thats not true at all

Erm... I didn't mention Vista except that I boot with it for compatibility reasons (otherwise I wouldn't have it). OSX keeps you out of the internal files and limits access to the base file system. It's designed to keep it out of sight and out of mind which helps keep it stable. To the common user, that's a feature rather than a deficiency, but to me it's a limitation.

I will say that ease of use is partially due to convention. Somewhat like the dock versus taskbar (either one is fine for me), it's largely what one finds intuitive rather than either having an intrinsic superiority. I like Ubuntu's synaptic package manager... a lot. The mounting commands are more intuitive than Windows "remove hardware". OSX's interface is intuitive for programs and applications (discounting some ported programs), but not for crawling through the internals and playing with its actual files.

You do realize that osx is unix based just like Linyx. You can go into the terminal and mess around with it all you want. you can do more with osx that you can with windows. If you know how to work with linyx you shouldn't have any problem with osx because they are both unix based

Linyx and osx are based on unix ask anyone. Ask Emeek he knows aot more about osx than i do since hes been working with a mac longer than me he will tel you everything you need to know about osx.

Linux is Unix-like, not Unix-based. I'm well aware that OSX is Unix-based, but that doesn't translate to the terminal in its entirety or the accessibility of the kernal and internal components during operations (the kernal is open source so it's more than just looking at it that I'm after).

Also, I've talked to emeek and we've agreed to disagree (I like building with the hardware as well). OSX is a great operating system for what it's used for, it just doesn't intuitively do what I want. While I was using graphics like photoshop, it was easy and convenient. It was only while I was crawling that I had troubles (and modeling, but I was doing things I shouldn't have been doing).

OS X is not Unix based.

It passed the single Unix specification, which is a specification set by the Open Group. If an OS passes this 'test', it is no longer unix like, it is Unix.

Therefore Mac OS X is Unix, not Unix like or Unix based.

I agree Windows is a lot more 'tweakable', certainly in terms of the GUI. For example there are a million and one different themes out their for Windows, and even non third party Microsoft allows you to tweak your GUI however you like. Mac OS X is much more locked down in that respect, which is good in some cases, for example its much easier to provide remote technical support.

Are you sure you don't want to be a compter tech and not a computer science major . Why one would want to mess with the internals of pc gets me... And please don't take this as a attack i just don't get what you do and why?

Erm, I actually want to go and research AI for a living. That's a field that wreaks of computer science if one ever did. Computer science itself is programming in some ways but also covers the theory of programming such as how the hardware and software interacts. Being able to know what the physical memory is doing while addressing the code is somewhat fascinating, but a large part of that is the compiler breaking it down to assembly language (pain to write).

Now AI is partially the logical analysis of a computer to emulate intelligence and another is intuitive reactions. There is a robot dog (google "big dog") which can be pushed and reactively catches itself and gets back up. The reason I play with OS's is because they're made to be intuitive to use. I want to know the internals because it's a great example of integrating code, hardware usage, and intuitive design. You don't get that from just looking at a kernal.

Scruffy, you do realize that OS X is based on BSD right? So if you want to get your hands dirty then OS X gives you access to all of the details just as much as Linux does (and far more than windows). In your 2 months experience did you try opening a terminal and messing around in the system at all?

I can't really see the difference between OS X and Linux. Both let you mess around with the guts of the OS if you want to. The only differnce is that with OS X you don't have to mess around with the OS to do normal work, which helps when you actually need to get work done rather than just play around.

Linux isn't Unix-based, just Unix-like. The internals are also a lot easier to get into with a Gnome terminal (I ended up using Puppy to navigate the OSX drive while I had it, but wasn't the same). I poked around a good while with the terminal, but it wasn't as cut and dry in OSX when it came to the guts.

And actually... I haven't had to get into the terminal to get work done on my Linux box more than twice on a given machine (once for making my mounting script given I'm not a Daemon fan and another to fix some arbitrary problem I caused in all likelihood). I go to the Synaptic Package manager all the time to get work done, but I write that up as the equivalent of paying for the application rather than getting a free download.

You know i really like the cube. But probably would not buy one. I would maybe buy an iMac g4. But only as a cool display. Altho for a small desktop computer it would most likely be a MacMini.
But i will stick with my Laptop being the Tower.

@ eddyr78 / ScruffyBarker

Hi Ok i will tell you a little about me.
Years ago i knew nothing about mac or apple bet had come across it a few times i will try to remember to post a link to my whole life store in tech.

I have said a few thing bad about apple or Mac.

I finally went to apple and customized an ibook. "Where in the would is Windows XP listed whats OS X" The total was around $2000

I was at compusa a few months after apple switched to intel. alltho i did not know that then. I was looking at a Compaq i was wanting. a sales person comes over to me and get me to look at an imac he shows me boot os x tiger and then windows. "so i have to buy another copy of window thats another $200" nah thanks.

5 years ago my dads friends girlfriends told be about mac. I didn't listen.

Thats so far it nothing too bad. But i thought only windows existed. I don't know why. If i could go back in time and slap the crap out of myself then tell myself how wonderful my life would have been with an iBook instead of a Compaq Persaio 1200 that had windows ME and took 2 minutes to boot. Let me tell you i wanted to break that think almost every day but loved because i love technology.

Now one thing that had up set me with mac at the very begging 2 weeks after looking into it was. I had created a cool blue theme with Win Me and have all the text its own theme and toolbar.

But a another 2 weeks i started loving the cool aqua look. and a few more weeks into researching mac i was going to buy a MacBook. "My first ever mac" I did 3 months of research untill i had to find a way to get it. I sold old stuff. Abd had it December 10th. I went to compusa every day i could and the very first time i went to see it I had no trouble using it. I was a little confused with things. But a few days after using it i got tired of windows really quick. So i installed a few different things and couldn't find anything for the os x menu bar but used that till i got my Mac.

When i got my Mac I just used my Old pcs windows disk but only used windows 30 times for a year and then deleted it off my system. the old Hp Pavilion ze2113 is my Moms and was the day i got my MacBook.

Now as for customizing thing i have found os x to do a great job well as to my likings. I have changed a few things but not much it works great for me.

OS X

I think viddler does have a limit. I tried that all in one but it would not go.

I only converted to Mac recently, but I think the timing was quite right. Steve Jobs has done a lot of great things since his return to Apple, but in the Mac area two things stand out to me:

1. Switching to a Unix based OS (OS X)
2. Switching to Intel processors

Moving to a strong OS based on Unix allowed Apple to leverage all of the work done for BSD in the Unix community. It also made the Mac much more interesting technically for a Unix nerd like me. Previously I've avoided Macs because of my impression (correct or not) that you can't really get into the guts of the system. I think this may even have been true prior to OS X, but it's certainly not true anymore.

The other great move Jobs made was the switch to Intel. This means Apple can leverage the economies of scale built around the PC industry in order to minimize hardware costs, whilst still building customized computers that just work.

Personally I made the switch to the Mac through the iPhone. I was so impressed by the iPhone's design that I jumped right on board and bought a Mac. I'd stayed away in the past because the mac laptops were kind of heavy and bulky, but when the Mac Air came out I had no more excuses.

Now my TV's hooked up to a Mac Mini, and my desktop has been cleansed of Windows and runs only Mac OS X (it's a hackintosh waiting to be replaced by a real iMac). I've even bought Apple stock. The switch is almost complete.

Heavy and bulky?

The Powerbook was 1" thin in 2001? Weighed about 5.5 pounds.

I did the same I bought the iphone when it released last year and it impressed me just how nice and how everything worked, that after that i started to look at the macs. I stayed way from the macs before not because i thought anything bad about them, i just did because i didn't really know anything about a mac or even used one.Whe the mac G5 came out i saw it and really liked it, But after the iphone i started to look into the imacs and i would mess with them for a while when i would go to my local best buy. I was hooked when i used it and i got my imac this past January.

To me 5.5 pounds is pretty darn heavy. But then I use my laptop as a laptop, not as a desktop replacement (I have a desktop, so why would I want to replace it with a smaller screen, no mouse, no keyboard, no expandability etc.).

I know lots of people like to buy laptops and then use them as desktops. I guess they like the idea of paying more for a slower machine, but that never really appealed to me. But for that market, I guess 5.5 pounds is pretty attractive. Heck, if it never leaves your desk why not make it 50 pounds, give it a 24 inch monitor, and a 320 GB HD, a real keyboard and mouse, oh wait, that's a desktop :)

@ cendrillon
Cool.
Well Altho i said first Mac it was not my first apple product. My first was an iPod which i loved but did not use i was too afraid to break it. Tho i don't usually break things.

@ cendrillon
Well what about a MacBook Pro with 2.5 ghz processor 320gb HDD and a 256 or 512 md navida graphics card. Plus a 15.4 or 17 inch monitor.
Oh add the Apple corded Keyboard Apple Cinema Display and Apple Mighty Mouse corded. Now is that not a powerful enough Desktop system. Plus it has about the same specs as the imac. its just $1500 more. But you still have a laptop and desktop its just the same computer.
I might have forgot to add. Apple Pro Speakers "with a griffin Powerwave"
And an external 500 gb HDD.
only $250 more.
Now the MacBook Pro might still weigh 5.5 pounds but that is pretty good for a pro laptop.

Please note i was not trying to be rude. I just got a bit upset. With someone calling a laptop a crapy computer.

I guess that's fine, if you like having a slow desktop that costs more. Personally I prefer having a real desktop, it's cheaper, faster, and generally better suited to being a desktop (that's why it's a desktop ;). But like I said, I might just be strange. Lots of people like spending more money to get a slower machine.
I mean, why buy a desktop when you can spend more money to buy a laptop, then just end up using it as a desktop LOL

I'd prefer an iMac and a Mac Air anyday.

@ cendrillon
We when the air came out I was planning on getting an MacBook Air for portable and an iMac for home use. But in my case it would cost the same price. Plus with having the whole systhem being a portable I can edit on the go with Shake 4.1 "altho it works on the air" and Motion 3 and Final cut pro.

Eh... the concept of the Mac Air was a good one for publicity and showing that Apple is more than capable of pushing very sophisticated hardware out, but the lack of ports and a disk drive put me off just a bit.

You raise a good point. For people who need to work on the go I think a laptop is usefull. Although I still think there are many laptop owners who basically use their laptops as a desktop replacement even though they work at their desk everyday and have no need to work in different locations.

At the end of the day, people just like paying more for less power. They just can't resist :)

To be honest I think people get scared of desktops because they have to plug cables in :)

Lack of CD/DVD drive is not an issue in my view. DVDs are a thing of the past. If you're using a laptop as a laptop (as opposed to a desktop) then you can always access the DVD drive from your desktop anyway (via remote disc).

I was a bit hesitant about the lack of a firewire port, since I need a low latency sound card, but it turned out that the internal card did a great job anyway.

It's true the Mac Air is not for everyone, it's primarily for people who want to use it as a laptop. So if you're looking for a laptop to use as a desktop then it's not for you. After having a Mac Air for close to a year now I'd say the biggest limitations are the slow HD and the fact that it tends to heat up a bit which forces the CPU to step down (although this can be helped somewhat by undervolting the CPU).

The Mac Air is definitely not for doing large ammounts of processing on though. Although it only weighs 1.5 kg which is fantastic. I avoided Mac laptops in the past because 2.5 kg is just too much for me. Lugging something like that to meetings and conferences is a hassle. I used to have a Samsung Q35 which was only 1 kg, but if it means I can escape Windoze I'm willing to live with an extra 1/2 kg. Plus the Mac design, LCD backlit screen, backlit keyboard, trackpad, magsafe adaptor etc. etc. etc. are fantastic!

emeek i was 1 of ur subscibers on youtube and when i saw this vid and you said tht you wouldnd put windows on ur mac try try this its called crossover its great and it runs windows apps with out actually running windows ps do u no when ur youtub acc will be back up

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